Saturday, September 1, 2007

pride, music, love is real, tied to the flesh

Pride is an enormous subject with me. I'm gonna start with a definition. Ambgtr (maybe I should start using nicknames like companionableills -- I know I'd have fun with that) can attest for the semantics problems we've had because we didn't bother to give our personal definitions.

When I speak of pride (most often, at least, and when I'm speaking of it here), I'm referring to pride the sin. Pride the sin is believing that you are good without God. It's trying to be God without Him. It's attributing your talents or skills or hard work or whatever it may be to yourself, rather than to Him who gave them to you.
(It's horribly ludicrous, in other words.)

The Devil is the epitome of pride. He works with pride, through pride; he is pride. Pride is something I have really struggled with, and, to me, it is the root of all sin. A man is greedy because he wants more things, and he wants more things very often because he wants more than his neighbor, and he wants more than his neighbor because he believes himself to be the best. It gets more complex than that, but that is only one example.
In short, if we didn't believe ourselves above having God in complete control, then He would be in control. If He was in control, we wouldn't sin any longer.

So, um, that was an introduction to pride? I originally was going to say a lot about it but it's 12:22am three days later and I haven't finished my homework and this post is long enough anyway. Next post, probably.



This is a blog from the Andrew McMahon of Jack's Mannequin and Something Corporate, and it's what I want from my music. I am very, very picky. This might sound very cliche and not at all unique, but I look for music that is real and sometimes I have trouble finding it.
Music is a bit of heaven, and a powerful emotional device, and a means of motivation, and a method of catharsis, and whatever you want to take from it, really. It can be damaging. I am very careful with my music.



Sometimes I feel things in my chest and know that they're not necessarily lasting. It's not until I feel them in my gut that I know they're there for good. Those are the things that tug at my heartstrings. That's what is my core.

I was talking to someone I really look up to the other night and he expressed a feeling he had, before conversion, of emptiness. He felt it inside of him, physically. He'd spend time around strong Christians and sensed a core, stability that he was missing.
God is my rock.

All of this is such great evidence to me that we are truly tied to the flesh. I am not a materialist or empiricist and really, philosophically, often lean more towards idealism (I suppose technically I'm a dualist maybe?), but my faith tells me that our reality is, in fact, inherently real. I cannot prove this -- my TOK (theory of knowledge - a required class for the IB program) classmates, or at least the ones that discuss things with me, know what I mean. It is a matter of faith and so I take it to be true. God tells me that He made all things and they are good. I take that to mean that my body and the things around me and the world I live in are useful tools in knowing God, becoming closer to Him, loving Him and loving His people, and I believe that the things God put on this earth can be and are used by Him to reach us. Music, food, water. The question is, to what extent? I'm not actually going to get into this yet, though.



I'm sure we've all heard DesCartes's "Cogito ergo sum. [I think, therefore I am.]". (What a coincidence because after writing this I read this week's TOK chapter and it talked about this.) Love proves my existence to me the same way Descartes doubting proved his (he may doubt that everything is real, but there has to be a doubter and so, he exists). I love people, and so something is being loved. I can't technically prove the existence of that something, but someone is certainly acting upon that something, no matter how little basis for doing it that someone has. I guess this is part of what I was trying to say at the beginning of this post.

On a kind of irrelated (I'm gonna get way ahead of you all and point out to myself that this isn't a word) note, love (and, really, emotion in general, but I like talking about love) is much more real, philosophically, to me than anything else. In TOK we talk about the ways of knowing (emotion, language, perception, thought) and really, the only one I really trust is emotion. I won't go into why the others are generally very unreliable (maybe another time) but emotion is something, really, that is pretty reliably outside of ourselves. I'm getting myself kind of tied up here because all my ideas for the effects of emotion rely pretty much on perception or language, but for the most part emotion is not really part of us. Though we might have control over emotions, the very fact that we might want or have to have control over them indicates that they are separate ('outside', I think, is not the right word) or not of ourselves. Emotions uniquely make us act certain ways -- it's not like when I see a tree and so decide to walk around it (and so the tree made me do something), where I could very easily not walk around that tree. I made a conscious decision to walk around the tree. I didn't really have to, but I, myself, decided to and made me do it. Maybe, though, I was feeling particularly masochistic that day and so instead of walking around the tree I ran into it quite painfully, probably. If I didn't have those bad feelings of myself, that emotion, I'm sure I would have avoided that tree. Or maybe I was feeling bad about myself but I thought about it and realized that walking into a tree was an awfully ridiculous thing to do, so I went around it. My point is, I still thought about it. If I didn't have that emotion, I wouldn't have given it a second thought at all. I would have walked around the tree because that's generally what common sense would have me do. But when I have this emotion, it requires some thought or control to walk around the tree when I otherwise would do it automatically.

All I'm really trying to say here is that emotion is pretty reliably (not provably [haha! didn't think that was a word], I know) not of ourselves. (But this is a ridiculously knotted argument because it may in fact rely entirely on perception [that is, sense-data, for those of you who read the TOK book]. How sad.)

This is not to say that emotion is always correct (not the word I want, really) though. Example: Once, I had a dream that somebody I knew did something really, really stupid and irritating. I woke up mad at him, and couldn't shake that anger for about a day and a half. I even talked to him about it. Completely unbased (what is that red squiggly line doing there?!) emotion.


Maybe, though, I'm mistakenly considering 'perception' as a way of knowing (which, to me, mostly includes language) and our 'sense-data' (we have sensations of color, texture, heaviness -- the color, texture, weight itself is a sense-datum) to be the same thing.
Well shooot. That switches things around a lot, I guess.


So I went maybe a little wikipedia/link crazy on this one. Maybe not. I also have discovered that my vocabulary sucks. In the normal sense but also in the I've-got-to-stop-making-up-words sense.
This is one of my more rambly (another red squiggly line :[ ), stream-of-consciousness posts and I'm going to apologize to and virtually pat on the back anyone who did me the favor of reading through it. Maybe not as high a substance-to-word ratio as desirable, but I'd still like to hear what you have to say.

Currently reading:
Catch-22, Joseph Heller

Current music:
Between the Trees
Notre-Dame soundtrack
First Time, by Lifehouse
Twenty-Four, Switchfoot
Globes and Maps, Something Corporate

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Music is such a beautiful and useful medium for ideas, emotions, and even faith. It disappoints me to see it manipulated into superficial "poetry" or negative portrayals. I love it when artists use (either are or attempting) humility and simple originality to bring across issues that are so important or need more consideration by their fans.
Outlandish came out with their new album, and the song in particular that caught my attention was "Any given time". I appreciate the lyrics SO SO SO much. It actually addresses pride in there as well-and getting caught up in the "show biz" for artists. It's actually one of their many R&B hits-me not being the best R&B fan, but the message is great.

Pride:
You referred to the type of pride that creates obsession with constantly wanting MORE of something: more power, more money, more fame, etc.

I think pride in nationality can be classified under that: people are "proud" to be a certain nationality (which, even on a low scale, is the beginning of nationalism-actually, this kinda goes along with pride the sin when taken to the extremes, for you're considering yourself higher than others. but maybe i will spew out my rant about that topic [nationalism] in a blog sometime in the near future).

With Ramadan coming up, I've discovered another purpose for fasting: humility. It's so humbling to experience how weak we as human beings become when we don't eat for a mere 12-18 hours. And yet we allow ourselves to be caught up in this pride that says that we don't need Him. When in fact, we're such vulnerable creatures that depend on Him in every breath we take.

<3
Kudos [as always]

Companionable Ills said...

some thoughts on your pride comments (and this is strictly in an "I am wondering" sense and not a "I don't believe in math!" sense, haha).
You define pride as "attributing your talents or skills...to yourself, rather than Him", and then you say that Satan is the epitome of pride.
Does that mean that God gives the Devil his talents/skills/strengths and the Devil just assumes they come from his evilness and cunning? If we assume all strength and knowledge comes from God, don't we have to then say that God gives Satan whatever wisdom and power he has (which is a lot)?
If yes, then why? I read once that "a Christian who has been tested is worth 100 who have not" and all those verses about being refined by gold. Is God playing Reagan to Satan's Iran (wow, I'm a nerd) so that our faith becomes more worthy of Him through trials? Then somehow that takes some of the ring out of all the verses about fighting God's enemies, to me.

And if God doesn't give Satan his power, then we must admit that there is some power that doesn't come from God, and if that is true, than the Devil is not proud but instead completely accurate. Maybe if the Devil was listening to God's wisdom he wouldn't be our enemy, but according to us, if he was completely disregarding all of God's gifts, he would be inconsequential, and we know he's not.
Could the explanation be that he took the gifts God gave him and managed to pervert them completely? That's arguable. Maybe Hitler, with his amazing oratory skills, was destined to be a great evangelist but somewhere along the way decided to take a different path than the one God had for him? But if the talents become used for evil, are they still 'tapped in' to God's might and love and do they still come from God? That brings us back to my original question - if they don't, then non-God-renewed strengths exist (Biblically false) or these people have no power (realistically false).

also, don't be afraid to invent new words. shakespeare invented a gazillion new ones and he got away with it, plus he got to be famous for centuries and be on a latchhook tapestry in LAT's room. I invent new words all the time and call myself the New Shakespeare.

Monica said...

Nahidface-
Your take on music is precisely what I mean most of the time. The bands I admire the most really seem to compose things from raw, genuine, actual substance. If it isn't divinely inspired, it is humble and real. It's a true manifestation of the soul and not just an attempted copy of something else. It's not necessarily based on music as we hear it all the time. I might not be making sense. "Humility and simple originality." Yes.
I will look up that song as soon as I get the chance. :]

Pride in nationality. I think the minute it gets personal ("I'm better because of my country" rather than "My country's pretty darn cool"), it gets dangerous.

Fasting. I agree. And am considering a time it would be rational for me to fast, though I certainly don't have your discipline, when it comes to anything, really. Feeling a need for God physically may shed light on how enormously we need Him spiritually.

Monica said...

Companionableills-
In the Devil's case, I think it's more the 'trying to be God without Him' part. Ultimately, it can be looked at as the result of a power battle.
Yes, I believe God gives Satan all of his skills. Someone said once (can't remember who -- my priest in a sermon?) that the most sought-after and gifted surgeon would make the most skilled murderer. His/her extensive knowledge of the working of the human body, usually employed to heal people, would with evil as an instigator/motive force be deadly (literally - ha). Imagine the pain that person could inflict, the precision with which he or she could kill.
Another example: I've seen (and experienced) all too often how a God-given gift like intelligence can be used to manipulate and warp. It's very easy to tweak circumstances or ideas to fit our own agenda with a little thinking. And it's very easy to 'think' ourselves into a swamp of pride, or get tangled in ideas that are wrong but seem very intelligent. And, when this happens, we often bring others down with us.
Another example: Your Hitler instance.
Somewhere down the line, I think, these gifts become of God but not godly. God gave them to us but he's not the one employing them anymore. I don't know if I'm making any sense.

I don't think that God is 'playing Reagan to Satan's Iran' (I LOVE YOU), really, but I suppose it's okay to look at it that way, and God giving us temptation does seem to make life in Him more valuable. I think this really just goes back to the free will argument. Why did God give us free will? Is it really free will if God is omnipotent and omniscient? Ambgtr and I have gone back and forth on this a ridiculous amount and never really reached much of a consensus. But I'm not gonna get into this now.

One thing that C.S. Lewis points out in Mere Christianity is that evil depends on good for its own existence. Nobody does something bad for the sake of doing something bad. (I won't explain because you've read the book.) The Devil's power comes from God. God gave Adam and Eve the power to choose, and they chose badly. There are days when I beg God to take away my free will because I don't want to have to fail anymore but it's horribly prideful of me to think, "God, look at me. Giving me free will was a bad choice. I can't do it." God has a reason. I don't know it.

I'm not sure I quite have the authority as Shakespeare did with his awesome-ness to create new words, but if you started using them two people's more than one.
What a horribly illogical sentence.